Category: Paddle Boating

OT: Question of the day…. 9/24/06

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9/24/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Laurie :)   Boating or camping? Jackie ~*~Moving at the speed of life, we are bound to collide with each other~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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9/24/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Laurie :) Boating or camping?

Oh, please, please, may I do both?????? kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Boating or camping?

Boating, although I enjoyed camping when much younger.  Hubby is a city boy at heart and wouldn’t camp outdoors if you paid him. LOL! xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Nice plush hotel suite, please… smiles, Elise

9/24/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Laurie :) Boating or camping? Jackie ~*~Moving at the speed of life, we are bound to collide with each other~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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9/24/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Laurie :) Boating or camping?

Boating would be okay if it’s a Holland-America cruise ship. Camping would be okay if it’s in my living room. Deirdre, who dropped out of Girl Scouts because there wasn’t a Beatles badge — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Boating.

9/24/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Laurie :) Boating or camping? Jackie ~*~Moving at the speed of life, we are bound to collide with each other~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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9/24/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Laurie :) Boating or camping?

Put the boat on top of the trailer or car and do both! — Ron P What? Me worry???  hahahaha Yah right!! — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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9/24/06: Today`s question is being brought to you by our very own Laurie :) Boating or camping? Oh, please, please, may I do both??????

Same here, Kili!!  Camping by the water with the boat docked right there!! The best of both worlds!!  ;))))) —

Camping

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The fun parts.. To get away from it all I went bike riding. I got 20 miles in altogether. Mainly on Saturday. I know not many miles really, but to me its a something. 20 miles is *plenty* for someone who doesn’t cycle on a regular basis. congratulations on doing it.  

oh yes last summer I did 22 miles in a day with my sister in the Loire Valley, neither of us cycle on a regular basis so it was pretty tough.  it was a sunday and the only wine maker we planned to visit was closed, so were all the chateaus we planned to visit on the route.  we were chased out when we sneaked into one chateau that is normally open for public access for a pee.

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The fun parts.. To get away from it all I went bike riding. I got 20 miles in altogether. Mainly on Saturday. I know not many miles really, but to me its a something. 20 miles is *plenty* for someone who doesn’t cycle on a regular basis. congratulations on doing it.   Thank you!  I started out at just 5 miles a day. Worked my way up to the 20 now. Trying to do it three times a week. Don’t think it will be a problem. I love biking.

good for you!  i love it too.  i’m really glad i started doing it again. it’s so good for you, and it can be a nice way to meditate.  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then planning a longer one too, around Kelly’s Island.  Looking into Where do you live?  I’m about an hour from Kelly’s Island, assuming you mean the one on Lake Erie’s shore. The scenery was beautiful for sure! I thought about going to other states to camp. But havn’t yet really seen all of Ohio. Its different in all areas of the state. So doing Ohio this year. I live in Columbus. In the suburbs. Southwestern part. I grew up out of downtown though, near OSU campus. I mainly hit the State Parks. There is a couple near Kelly’s Island. Cattawba, south and central bass islands.  The islands look interesting. Then I am into lighthouses. There is Marblehead lighthouse near there. I have in-law family in Cleveland. So been up to Lake Erie in that area, but not near the islands. So, looking very forward to that trip. I think around July, for my birthday we will do that trip. Making it a week long one. Even looking into renting something out for a week, instead of camping it. Have you been there? Whats it like? I love the beach. The boys love to fish. Should be something for all of us to do.

I haven’t been to Kelly’s Island yet.  We mostly go to Put-In-Bay (South Bass Island).  It’s a nice get away for a day.  Go to the top of Perry’s Monument for a nice view (on a clear day, you can see Pelee Island in Canada).  Visit the caverns.  You can tour the winery.  There is a nice nature spot. They have parasailing.  Most of the restaurants have live entertainment in the afternoons and evenings.  Rent a bike or golf cart for the day, take your own bike or car on the ferry, or just walk everywhere.  I believe the island is only something like 3 miles wide by 5 miles long. Marblehead lighthouse is very close to the Miller Ferry.  Enjoy! Marsha/Ohio

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Then planning a longer one too, around Kelly’s Island.  Looking into Where do you live?  I’m about an hour from Kelly’s Island, assuming you mean the one on Lake Erie’s shore.

The scenery was beautiful for sure! I thought about going to other states to camp. But havn’t yet really seen all of Ohio. Its different in all areas of the state. So doing Ohio this year. I live in Columbus. In the suburbs. Southwestern part. I grew up out of downtown though, near OSU campus. I mainly hit the State Parks. There is a couple near Kelly’s Island. Cattawba, south and central bass islands.  The islands look interesting. Then I am into lighthouses. There is Marblehead lighthouse near there. I have in-law family in Cleveland. So been up to Lake Erie in that area, but not near the islands. So, looking very forward to that trip. I think around July, for my birthday we will do that trip. Making it a week long one. Even looking into renting something out for a week, instead of camping it. Have you been there? Whats it like? I love the beach. The boys love to fish. Should be something for all of us to do.

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::: :::: The fun parts.. To get away from it all I went bike riding. I got :::: 20 miles in altogether. Mainly on Saturday. I know not many miles :::: really, but to me its a something. :: ::: 20 miles is *plenty* for someone who doesn’t cycle on a regular ::: basis. congratulations on doing it. ::: :: Thank you!  I started out at just 5 miles a day. Worked my way up to :: the 20 now. Trying to do it three times a week. Don’t think it will :: be a problem. I love biking. Wow….go Sunshyne!

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The fun parts.. To get away from it all I went bike riding. I got 20 miles in altogether. Mainly on Saturday. I know not many miles really, but to me its a something. 20 miles is *plenty* for someone who doesn’t cycle on a regular basis. congratulations on doing it.  

Thank you!  I started out at just 5 miles a day. Worked my way up to the 20 now. Trying to do it three times a week. Don’t think it will be a problem. I love biking.

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We camped with two other families. That was harder than I thought. In the way..that it bothered me big time, what they ate, what they even fed their kids. The all day long eating. The junk food. Made me more determined to stick to this WOE.

Congratulations ! The fun parts.. To get away from it all I went bike riding. I got 20 miles in altogether. Mainly on Saturday. I know not many miles really, but to me its a something. Considering my back, neck, and the fibromyalgia. Took a group of

That’s a lot.  Bet the time went by fast with all the beautiful scenery. fishing. Then planning a longer one too, around Kelly’s Island.  Looking into

Where do you live?  I’m about an hour from Kelly’s Island, assuming you mean the one on Lake Erie’s shore. Marsha/Ohio

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The fun parts.. To get away from it all I went bike riding. I got 20 miles in altogether. Mainly on Saturday. I know not many miles really, but to me its a something.

20 miles is *plenty* for someone who doesn’t cycle on a regular basis. congratulations on doing it.  

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We camped with two other families. That was harder than I thought. In the way..that it bothered me big time, what they ate, what they even fed their kids. The all day long eating. The junk food. Made me more determined to stick to this WOE. The fun parts.. To get away from it all I went bike riding. I got 20 miles in altogether. Mainly on Saturday. I know not many miles really, but to me its a something. Considering my back, neck, and the fibromyalgia. Took a group of kids on a 5 mile hike also. Packed along beef jerky and lots of water.  Where we fished at, no trout. But we did catch  Bass, Catfish,  Bluegill. I caught a couple Catfish myself. Even cooked it and ate it. Was pretty damn good. I brought enough yougurt to feed the whole group. The homemade sort. With the syrp, fresh fruit, whole yogurt. The kids thought it as a dessert. The rains came back, so came home a little early this morning. Took a long nap. Got what feels like allergies or a cold coming on. Plan on sleeping it off. The trip was very invigorating though. Plan on doing a couple more. Most likely next weekend, though leaving on Thursday…(Kids get outta school for the year that day) To a campground near the mohican river. Better chance at trout fishing. Then planning a longer one too, around Kelly’s Island.  Looking into buying two boats, like paddle or rowboats, or canoes. The rental on the boats are a little high I think. Also, not camping with others who aren’t low carbing, or at the least eating healthy. I got the exercise also with the boating. I think exercise is alot easier if its fun to do. -Peace of mind comes from accepting what we cannot control and taking responsibility for what we can.- Atkins since 1/17/04 267/214/135 CCLL-40

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Wish me luck

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If you are kayaking on a lake it is pretty easy to do, and a nice place to learn and they aren’t that easy to turn over, unless you hit a rock. I highly recommend it, lots of fun. Roxan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have several friends that enjoy kayaking. . . . we live next to a state park that have a nice little lake and we go camping as a group and they enjoy kayaking on the lake. . . . I’ve never really tried it (kinda looks like I could turn over in one of those things, ya know??).  Maybe I’ll have to get braver this summer and try kayaking. . . Cy Fan (Karen) I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan —

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Luck for me I didn’t get dunked. Roxan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It sounds like great fun!!!  I am jealous!  Although, I sure wouldn’t wish a cold dunk!! Doe I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan — — Doe : ) &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& "Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be bent out of shape."

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I learned by going out with a friend. The first trip we did a large river here, I got caught in a thunder storm, but got hooked the first time I did it. It really isn’t hard to do, I like to run in fast water and small dams. It is challenging and so much fun, take a change and do it. It is a great way to add exercise to your program and have a wonderful time in the process. Let me know if you take the plunge and learn to kayak Roxan.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Three newsgroup readers and I can’t get a message.  Harrumph.  So I rootled around in the one that DID catch this message (but absolutely refuses to allow me to answer), and had to put it in as a new message, sorta. Roxan, although he is the outdoorsman, I think that is what I am going to do.  We have a class in kayaking at the college where I work, and I just have to register.  Maybe he will try it out anyway.  He hates being limited; he can’t downhill or water ski, either.  Really bugs him.  At least we can play golf and the like together (I get the most turns!). kat ^.^< So, I hate to say this, leave him at home and go yourself. There is a group of us girls that leave our hubby at home and go without them. We all got tired of waiting till they were ready. It is very addicting, once bitten you will want to do it more often. I had a ball, but wouldn’t you know it, today it is beautiful and warm, yesterday cold and rainy, but we went anyway. Hope you get a chance to do it this summer. Roxan Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts.  I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits. I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I was hooked on a five-minute ride in flat water when a couple of kayakers rolled up to the shore and, seeing me gawk, asked if I wanted to have a go. Three strokes and I was hooked.  Had to turn back almost immediately because a riverboat (yes, paddles and all) was coming upstream and I was between it and the dock! I could go alone, that isn’t a problem, but it is fun to have someone to talk with later.  But I asked my daughter if she wanted to sign up with me, but she has to many classes in firefighting this summer (she hopes to join the local boys).  That leaves my son, my ww buddy, and a few other unsuspecting folks… kat ^.^<

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I learned by going out with a friend. The first trip we did a large river here, I got caught in a thunder storm, but got hooked the first time I did it. It really isn’t hard to do, I like to run in fast water and small dams. It is challenging and so much fun, take a change and do it. It is a great way to add exercise to your program and have a wonderful time in the process. Let me know if you take the plunge and learn to kayak Roxan. Three newsgroup readers and I can’t get a message.  Harrumph.  So I rootled around in the one that DID catch this message (but absolutely refuses to allow me to answer), and had to put it in as a new message, sorta. Roxan, although he is the outdoorsman, I think that is what I am going to do.  We have a class in kayaking at the college where I work, and I just have to register.  Maybe he will try it out anyway.  He hates being limited; he can’t downhill or water ski, either.  Really bugs him.  At least we can play golf and the like together (I get the most turns!). kat ^.^< So, I hate to say this, leave him at home and go yourself. There is a group of us girls that leave our hubby at home and go without them. We all got tired of waiting till they were ready. It is very addicting, once bitten you will want to do it more often. I had a ball, but wouldn’t you know it, today it is beautiful and warm, yesterday cold and rainy, but we went anyway. Hope you get a chance to do it this summer. Roxan Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts.  I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits. I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I never go kayaking alone, too dangerous and never without a life jacket. There are kayaking clubs in my area that give free courses. My husband is getting interested enough to want to try to do it. If he does he will be hooked too. Roxan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was hooked on a five-minute ride in flat water when a couple of kayakers rolled up to the shore and, seeing me gawk, asked if I wanted to have a go. Three strokes and I was hooked.  Had to turn back almost immediately because a riverboat (yes, paddles and all) was coming upstream and I was between it and the dock! I could go alone, that isn’t a problem, but it is fun to have someone to talk with later.  But I asked my daughter if she wanted to sign up with me, but she has to many classes in firefighting this summer (she hopes to join the local boys).  That leaves my son, my ww buddy, and a few other unsuspecting folks… kat ^.^< I learned by going out with a friend. The first trip we did a large river here, I got caught in a thunder storm, but got hooked the first time I did it. It really isn’t hard to do, I like to run in fast water and small dams. It is challenging and so much fun, take a change and do it. It is a great way to add exercise to your program and have a wonderful time in the process. Let me know if you take the plunge and learn to kayak Roxan. Three newsgroup readers and I can’t get a message.  Harrumph.  So I rootled around in the one that DID catch this message (but absolutely refuses to allow me to answer), and had to put it in as a new message, sorta. Roxan, although he is the outdoorsman, I think that is what I am going to do.  We have a class in kayaking at the college where I work, and I just have to register.  Maybe he will try it out anyway.  He hates being limited; he can’t downhill or water ski, either.  Really bugs him.  At least we can play golf and the like together (I get the most turns!). kat ^.^< So, I hate to say this, leave him at home and go yourself. There is a group of us girls that leave our hubby at home and go without them. We all got tired of waiting till they were ready. It is very addicting, once bitten you will want to do it more often. I had a ball, but wouldn’t you know it, today it is beautiful and warm, yesterday cold and rainy, but we went anyway. Hope you get a chance to do it this summer. Roxan Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts.  I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits. I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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You got it girl. Do it. Roxan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am quite sure there are some up here.  In Wausau they have a world-class course and people come from all over in the later part of the season. Thanks for all the info.  My kayak would look so cute beside my hubbie’s 6 (no, five, one belongs the Boy now) boats! kat ^.^< Look for a kayaking club, I bet that the person that is giving the classes will know where there are some. They have really good trips that usually don’t cost anything if you have a kayak. I bought my second hand off someone who wanted to upgrade for $300. paddle, shirt, and boat for a Rascal, this was a good price considering they cost about $600. new. Mine was like new wasn’t used all that much. Look around for one in the paper or from a club member who wants to buy a different kind. My husband, who worry that I might drown, bought me a really good not cheap life vest made for kayaking for my birthday. These are a little shorter than the one’s you use for regular boating. Roxan I was actually thinking of joining the class on my own, but you bring up an important point.  In reality, it would be foolish to go alone!  My son is an Eagle Scout and one thing they drummed into the boys is to "buddy up." It would be a long time before I tried any wild water, too.  I suppose they make better jackets than they used to:  the ones we have always chafe my neck, but they are better than the old "Mae West" style. No free classes around here, but I might get a discount because I work for the college.  The classes aren’t too awful expensive, anyway. kat ^.^< I never go kayaking alone, too dangerous and never without a life jacket. There are kayaking clubs in my area that give free courses. My husband is getting interested enough to want to try to do it. If he does he will be hooked too. Roxan I was hooked on a five-minute ride in flat water when a couple of kayakers rolled up to the shore and, seeing me gawk, asked if I wanted to have a go. Three strokes and I was hooked.  Had to turn back almost immediately because a riverboat (yes, paddles and all) was coming upstream and I was between it and the dock! I could go alone, that isn’t a problem, but it is fun to have someone to talk with later.  But I asked my daughter if she wanted to sign up with me, but she has to many classes in firefighting this summer (she hopes to join the local boys).  That leaves my son, my ww buddy, and a few other unsuspecting folks… kat ^.^< I learned by going out with a friend. The first trip we did a large river here, I got caught in a thunder storm, but got hooked the first time I did it. It really isn’t hard to do, I like to run in fast water and small dams. It is challenging and so much fun, take a change and do it. It is a great way to add exercise to your program and have a wonderful time in the process. Let me know if you take the plunge and learn to kayak Roxan. Three newsgroup readers and I can’t get a message.  Harrumph. So I rootled around in the one that DID catch this message (but absolutely refuses to allow me to answer), and had to put it in as a new message, sorta. Roxan, although he is the outdoorsman, I think that is what I am going to do.  We have a class in kayaking at the college where I work, and I just have to register.  Maybe he will try it out anyway.  He hates being limited; he can’t downhill or water ski, either.  Really bugs him.  At least we can play golf and the like together (I get the most turns!). kat ^.^< So, I hate to say this, leave him at home and go yourself. There is a group of us girls that leave our hubby at home and go without them. We all got tired of waiting till they were ready. It is very addicting, once bitten you will want to do it more often. I had a ball, but wouldn’t you know it, today it is beautiful and warm, yesterday cold and rainy, but we went anyway. Hope you get a chance to do it this summer. Roxan Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts. I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits. I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I am quite sure there are some up here.  In Wausau they have a world-class course and people come from all over in the later part of the season. Thanks for all the info.  My kayak would look so cute beside my hubbie’s 6 (no, five, one belongs the Boy now) boats! kat ^.^<

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Look for a kayaking club, I bet that the person that is giving the classes will know where there are some. They have really good trips that usually don’t cost anything if you have a kayak. I bought my second hand off someone who wanted to upgrade for $300. paddle, shirt, and boat for a Rascal, this was a good price considering they cost about $600. new. Mine was like new wasn’t used all that much. Look around for one in the paper or from a club member who wants to buy a different kind. My husband, who worry that I might drown, bought me a really good not cheap life vest made for kayaking for my birthday. These are a little shorter than the one’s you use for regular boating. Roxan I was actually thinking of joining the class on my own, but you bring up an important point.  In reality, it would be foolish to go alone!  My son is an Eagle Scout and one thing they drummed into the boys is to "buddy up." It would be a long time before I tried any wild water, too.  I suppose they make better jackets than they used to:  the ones we have always chafe my neck, but they are better than the old "Mae West" style. No free classes around here, but I might get a discount because I work for the college.  The classes aren’t too awful expensive, anyway. kat ^.^< I never go kayaking alone, too dangerous and never without a life jacket. There are kayaking clubs in my area that give free courses. My husband is getting interested enough to want to try to do it. If he does he will be hooked too. Roxan I was hooked on a five-minute ride in flat water when a couple of kayakers rolled up to the shore and, seeing me gawk, asked if I wanted to have a go. Three strokes and I was hooked.  Had to turn back almost immediately because a riverboat (yes, paddles and all) was coming upstream and I was between it and the dock! I could go alone, that isn’t a problem, but it is fun to have someone to talk with later.  But I asked my daughter if she wanted to sign up with me, but she has to many classes in firefighting this summer (she hopes to join the local boys).  That leaves my son, my ww buddy, and a few other unsuspecting folks… kat ^.^< I learned by going out with a friend. The first trip we did a large river here, I got caught in a thunder storm, but got hooked the first time I did it. It really isn’t hard to do, I like to run in fast water and small dams. It is challenging and so much fun, take a change and do it. It is a great way to add exercise to your program and have a wonderful time in the process. Let me know if you take the plunge and learn to kayak Roxan. Three newsgroup readers and I can’t get a message.  Harrumph. So I rootled around in the one that DID catch this message (but absolutely refuses to allow me to answer), and had to put it in as a new message, sorta. Roxan, although he is the outdoorsman, I think that is what I am going to do.  We have a class in kayaking at the college where I work, and I just have to register.  Maybe he will try it out anyway.  He hates being limited; he can’t downhill or water ski, either.  Really bugs him.  At least we can play golf and the like together (I get the most turns!). kat ^.^< So, I hate to say this, leave him at home and go yourself. There is a group of us girls that leave our hubby at home and go without them. We all got tired of waiting till they were ready. It is very addicting, once bitten you will want to do it more often. I had a ball, but wouldn’t you know it, today it is beautiful and warm, yesterday cold and rainy, but we went anyway. Hope you get a chance to do it this summer. Roxan Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts. I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits. I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. 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Look for a kayaking club, I bet that the person that is giving the classes will know where there are some. They have really good trips that usually don’t cost anything if you have a kayak. I bought my second hand off someone who wanted to upgrade for $300. paddle, shirt, and boat for a Rascal, this was a good price considering they cost about $600. new. Mine was like new wasn’t used all that much. Look around for one in the paper or from a club member who wants to buy a different kind. My husband, who worry that I might drown, bought me a really good not cheap life vest made for kayaking for my birthday. These are a little shorter than the one’s you use for regular boating. Roxan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was actually thinking of joining the class on my own, but you bring up an important point.  In reality, it would be foolish to go alone!  My son is an Eagle Scout and one thing they drummed into the boys is to "buddy up." It would be a long time before I tried any wild water, too.  I suppose they make better jackets than they used to:  the ones we have always chafe my neck, but they are better than the old "Mae West" style. No free classes around here, but I might get a discount because I work for the college.  The classes aren’t too awful expensive, anyway. kat ^.^< I never go kayaking alone, too dangerous and never without a life jacket. There are kayaking clubs in my area that give free courses. My husband is getting interested enough to want to try to do it. If he does he will be hooked too. Roxan I was hooked on a five-minute ride in flat water when a couple of kayakers rolled up to the shore and, seeing me gawk, asked if I wanted to have a go. Three strokes and I was hooked.  Had to turn back almost immediately because a riverboat (yes, paddles and all) was coming upstream and I was between it and the dock! I could go alone, that isn’t a problem, but it is fun to have someone to talk with later.  But I asked my daughter if she wanted to sign up with me, but she has to many classes in firefighting this summer (she hopes to join the local boys).  That leaves my son, my ww buddy, and a few other unsuspecting folks… kat ^.^< I learned by going out with a friend. The first trip we did a large river here, I got caught in a thunder storm, but got hooked the first time I did it. It really isn’t hard to do, I like to run in fast water and small dams. It is challenging and so much fun, take a change and do it. It is a great way to add exercise to your program and have a wonderful time in the process. Let me know if you take the plunge and learn to kayak Roxan. Three newsgroup readers and I can’t get a message.  Harrumph.  So I rootled around in the one that DID catch this message (but absolutely refuses to allow me to answer), and had to put it in as a new message, sorta. Roxan, although he is the outdoorsman, I think that is what I am going to do.  We have a class in kayaking at the college where I work, and I just have to register.  Maybe he will try it out anyway.  He hates being limited; he can’t downhill or water ski, either.  Really bugs him.  At least we can play golf and the like together (I get the most turns!). kat ^.^< So, I hate to say this, leave him at home and go yourself. There is a group of us girls that leave our hubby at home and go without them. We all got tired of waiting till they were ready. It is very addicting, once bitten you will want to do it more often. I had a ball, but wouldn’t you know it, today it is beautiful and warm, yesterday cold and rainy, but we went anyway. Hope you get a chance to do it this summer. Roxan Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts. I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits. I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I was actually thinking of joining the class on my own, but you bring up an important point.  In reality, it would be foolish to go alone!  My son is an Eagle Scout and one thing they drummed into the boys is to "buddy up." It would be a long time before I tried any wild water, too.  I suppose they make better jackets than they used to:  the ones we have always chafe my neck, but they are better than the old "Mae West" style. No free classes around here, but I might get a discount because I work for the college.  The classes aren’t too awful expensive, anyway. kat ^.^<

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never go kayaking alone, too dangerous and never without a life jacket. There are kayaking clubs in my area that give free courses. My husband is getting interested enough to want to try to do it. If he does he will be hooked too. Roxan I was hooked on a five-minute ride in flat water when a couple of kayakers rolled up to the shore and, seeing me gawk, asked if I wanted to have a go. Three strokes and I was hooked.  Had to turn back almost immediately because a riverboat (yes, paddles and all) was coming upstream and I was between it and the dock! I could go alone, that isn’t a problem, but it is fun to have someone to talk with later.  But I asked my daughter if she wanted to sign up with me, but she has to many classes in firefighting this summer (she hopes to join the local boys).  That leaves my son, my ww buddy, and a few other unsuspecting folks… kat ^.^< I learned by going out with a friend. The first trip we did a large river here, I got caught in a thunder storm, but got hooked the first time I did it. It really isn’t hard to do, I like to run in fast water and small dams. It is challenging and so much fun, take a change and do it. It is a great way to add exercise to your program and have a wonderful time in the process. Let me know if you take the plunge and learn to kayak Roxan. Three newsgroup readers and I can’t get a message.  Harrumph.  So I rootled around in the one that DID catch this message (but absolutely refuses to allow me to answer), and had to put it in as a new message, sorta. Roxan, although he is the outdoorsman, I think that is what I am going to do.  We have a class in kayaking at the college where I work, and I just have to register.  Maybe he will try it out anyway.  He hates being limited; he can’t downhill or water ski, either.  Really bugs him.  At least we can play golf and the like together (I get the most turns!). kat ^.^< So, I hate to say this, leave him at home and go yourself. There is a group of us girls that leave our hubby at home and go without them. We all got tired of waiting till they were ready. It is very addicting, once bitten you will want to do it more often. I had a ball, but wouldn’t you know it, today it is beautiful and warm, yesterday cold and rainy, but we went anyway. Hope you get a chance to do it this summer. Roxan Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts.  I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits. I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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It sounds like great fun!!!  I am jealous!  Although, I sure wouldn’t wish a cold dunk!! Doe I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan —

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We have several friends that enjoy kayaking. . . . we live next to a state park that have a nice little lake and we go camping as a group and they enjoy kayaking on the lake. . . . I’ve never really tried it (kinda looks like I could turn over in one of those things, ya know??).  Maybe I’ll have to get braver this summer and try kayaking. . . Cy Fan (Karen)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan —

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Three newsgroup readers and I can’t get a message.  Harrumph.  So I rootled around in the one that DID catch this message (but absolutely refuses to allow me to answer), and had to put it in as a new message, sorta. Roxan, although he is the outdoorsman, I think that is what I am going to do.  We have a class in kayaking at the college where I work, and I just have to register.  Maybe he will try it out anyway.  He hates being limited; he can’t downhill or water ski, either.  Really bugs him.  At least we can play golf and the like together (I get the most turns!). kat ^.^< So, I hate to say this, leave him at home and go yourself. There is a group of us girls that leave our hubby at home and go without them. We all got tired of waiting till they were ready. It is very addicting, once bitten you will want to do it more often. I had a ball, but wouldn’t you know it, today it is beautiful and warm, yesterday cold and rainy, but we went anyway. Hope you get a chance to do it this summer. Roxan

Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts.  I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits. I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan —

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Love to Andy, you could beach it in Manhattan and carry it on your head to work, this could be both your aerobic and upper body workout. Boy are my are sore now. Next time you can come along it really is a nice way to see nature. Can’t wait to go again. Roxan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – take me with you next time…  better yet, i’d like to work out some way of kayaking or crewing to work.  it’s technically feasible; i could hand launch from east 23rd street and swing around and up the hudson, but there’s no parking (just like most of manhattan) for the little guys anywhere near where i would have to beach. —andy the schismatic 248/177/187 Well, I made it, a little muddy and tired, but it was really fun. There were six of us and we did about 10 miles of beautiful water way. The water is a little high now and fast running, my arms are killing me and I will be sore tomorrow, but all in all a wonderful time. Roxan I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan —

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Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts.  I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I made it, a little muddy and tired, but it was really fun. There were six of us and we did about 10 miles of beautiful water way. The water is a little high now and fast running, my arms are killing me and I will be sore tomorrow, but all in all a wonderful time. Roxan I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan —

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So, I hate to say this, leave him at home and go yourself. There is a group of us girls that leave our hubby at home and go without them. We all got tired of waiting till they were ready. It is very addicting, once bitten you will want to do it more often. I had a ball, but wouldn’t you know it, today it is beautiful and warm, yesterday cold and rainy, but we went anyway. Hope you get a chance to do it this summer. Roxan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great job Roxan– I hope to take a kayaking class this summer through the local college.  Went on a quick jaunt many years ago and knew immediately that I had better not do it again until I could do it often; I could feel the addiction kicking in!  We haven’t even camped or canoed in years–hubbie’s got a very bad back and can’t go for long jaunts.  I should have more time this summer, being down to only two classes instead of a full load. — kat ^.^< My Norwegian-descended friends and I have a deal.  They don’t make me eat Lutefisk, I don’t make them eat grits. Well, I made it, a little muddy and tired, but it was really fun. There were six of us and we did about 10 miles of beautiful water way. The water is a little high now and fast running, my arms are killing me and I will be sore tomorrow, but all in all a wonderful time. Roxan I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan —

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Well, I made it, a little muddy and tired, but it was really fun. There were six of us and we did about 10 miles of beautiful water way. The water is a little high now and fast running, my arms are killing me and I will be sore tomorrow, but all in all a wonderful time. Roxan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan —

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take me with you next time…  better yet, i’d like to work out some way of kayaking or crewing to work.  it’s technically feasible; i could hand launch from east 23rd street and swing around and up the hudson, but there’s no parking (just like most of manhattan) for the little guys anywhere near where i would have to beach. —andy the schismatic 248/177/187

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I made it, a little muddy and tired, but it was really fun. There were six of us and we did about 10 miles of beautiful water way. The water is a little high now and fast running, my arms are killing me and I will be sore tomorrow, but all in all a wonderful time. Roxan I am on my way to go kayaking for the first time this year. It is still cold here in Pennsylvania, but my kayaking buddies still want to do it. Pray I don’t get dunked, the water temp. is about 40 degrees and the stream that we are doing is spring feed. It has a lot of twists and turns and can be challenging in fast water, oh so much fun and it will add to my exercise plan. I will let you all know how I make out when I get back. Roxan —

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going to thailand in 2 days, need some advice please folks….

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Hi Don – most points covered by other replies except to say that for certain "amenities and services" you have  booked into exactly the correct hotel for your 1st night!!!!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, hope you are all keepin ok. i’m off to thailand on monday with a good friend of mine. this is our first time. we haven’t booked a hotel as of yet, and i dont think we will until we get to bangkok. whats the best place to go straight from bangkok airport. i want to to go to a secure hotel, where i can keep my money etc in a safe….. also i might be wearing a daypack throughout the day. however i have invested in a money belt, where i can keep my money passport in etc, i will wear this underneath my clothes……. is the idea of a daypack stupid… i have worn daypacks in my time in india, peru, goa and everywhere else really. i keep my guides, maps, books, disposable cameras in there…….never been a victim of theft. so can anyone give me any general advice on what to do or eat in thailand… regards Don ps: i’ve done a lot of research, and read up on stuff, was hoping any     experienced thailand travellers could give me some advice…. — Posted via http://britishexpats.com

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Hi Don, I think William pretty well covered most of it, but here is my piece that I put together for friends.  I recomment staying at the Grand President Hotel, on Sukhumvit Soi 11.  THey have individual safes in every room.  Great staff, great hotel and never had a problem at all when there( we stayed there about 10 times on and off) Make sure your back pack is secured, but have the keys readily available, there is no reason for them to rip your locks off, and if they are gone, you know someone has been through you bag and see airport security about it. Grand Palace (Sanam Chai) This is where the King used to reside.  It is very scenic.  There is also  Wat Phra Keo on the grounds.  Dress Code – No shorts or open shoes. Wat Pho (across road from Grand Palace) This is the most famous Wat in BKK.  A must to see.  Architecture and work is fantastic.  Can have your palm read here or get a Thai massage by one of the monks. Wat Arun(along Chao Phraya River) Take river cruise to get there Long Boat River Cruise (left of Sheraton River City) Get taxi to take you here.   There will be a small booth with a person that will organise the trip for you.  Barter the price.  You will board a long boat (be prepared to get a little wet at times) and they will take you for a ride up the river through the canals, to see how a lot of the locals live.  There will be women in floating boats (only a couple) trying to sell you things.  They sell trinkets and drinks (beer).  The driver will stop at the snake farm and also Wat Arun.  It is always nice to tip the driver THB50-100  - depending on how many people are with you. Floating Markets(Wat Sai) There are many permanent shops and plenty of people in small boats selling things.  Quite a big tourist attraction Chatuchak Weekend Markets (Phahon Yothin) You can take the Skytrain to the markets.  The train stops right outside the market. This is very big and very crowded, but you can get some incredible bargains here. Bridge Over The River Kwai (see hotel or travel agent) This is a 2 – 3 hour trip north of BKK.  On a tour you will leave about 6am and not return until 7pm.  It is a great trip, very touristy.  You can ride the train over death valley, board the train asap as everyone pushes and shoves to get on and you may miss out.  Don’t go in the first carriage as some times it is reserved and you’ll have to get off.  Try and get a private tour guide to take you, then you can go to the War Memorials as well. Jim Thompson House This is a house that belonged to a "silk king" millionaire that mysteriously disappeared in 1967.  It is a display of this private collection of antiques, silk etc. Lumpini Park (cnr Rama IV & Ratcharamri) – Nice for a stroll around or do some paddle boating in the lake in the middle.  They have an outdoor gym, aerobics and many other activities. This is the main Park and has a lot of greenery. Crocodile Farm (Samut Prakan Province) Here they do Crocodile wrestling and silly things like putting their heads in their mouths.  They also have elephant shows (with crowd participation), tigers, snakes etc.  Have small change to throw in to the Croc Pit. Patpong Road (off Silom) This is the Nightlife spot where all the "girly" bars are, where they have the "ping pong" shows.  There is a strip of them, make sure there is no cover charge to go in.  The women flock to the men as soon as you get in there.  They will massage your shoulders, hands, whatever.  Then they will ask you to buy them a drink.  If you buy them one they will come back for more.  If you are not interested tell them to go away.  It can be a real eye opener.  When we went to one bar, there were people having sex next to us on the chair.  We soon left.  It is very crowded around this area and is absolute chaos at times. Thai Boxing They have boxing at Lumpini Park and there is another major stadium, but I can

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What a great idea! Not for me, though. Unless the bikes have air-con….and motors! :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you really want some great adventure and get a great feel of Bangkok try http://www.amazingbangkokcyclist.com/index.html They give bicycle tours, I have gone 2 times and it was great. Not expensive, they provide the bikes, not to strenuous for the somewhat out of shape. You won’t regret it. (No, I’m not affiliated with them in anyway, just a happy customer) I’ll be there in November and will most likely take another ride with them then. My family, wife and myself with two teens will fly in to Bangkok either in November or December for a week. Our first time there on our own. Question is we like to go shopping, site seeing and of course eat eat eat. Any recommendation for Hotels US$30 to US40 per twin room sharing. Must be safe to stay. Online booking? Is it ok to stay in more than one hotel. 3 nights and 4 nights. Any places for siteseeing.. say day trip? Any shopping places, night markets near-by hotels. Eat…no need to elaborate.. Thank you. Allan

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If you really want some great adventure and get a great feel of Bangkok try http://www.amazingbangkokcyclist.com/index.html They give bicycle tours, I have gone 2 times and it was great. Not expensive, they provide the bikes, not to strenuous for the somewhat out of shape. You won’t regret it. (No, I’m not affiliated with them in anyway, just a happy customer) I’ll be there in November and will most likely take another ride with them then.

I can’t vouch for this vendor. However I’ve been on bicycle tours several times in several countries (not Thailand, though). Hell of a way to see the country. I’d be a little concerned about safety for cyclists on some roads. I’d also make sure they have a full complement of support equipment including First Aid and Sag Wagons. If they do (and you have the energy) I think this would be a great suggestion.

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The original operator was a Dutchman named Ko Van Kessel, he was (and still may be) a 25 year resident of BKK and knew the city like the back of his hand. Most of the ride is on the back streets, alleyways, markets, along the Klongs, and so on. I believe we crossed only one main street on both of the rides I took. We also loaded our bikes and crossed the river in one of the fan tail boats. I believe the new operator’s name is Michael but I have not gone on a ride since he took over. They did not have a sag wagon but it really is a relaxed pace with plenty of stops. The operator purchases all the drinks and provides lunch also. Hope this helps.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you really want some great adventure and get a great feel of Bangkok try http://www.amazingbangkokcyclist.com/index.html They give bicycle tours, I have gone 2 times and it was great. Not expensive, they provide the bikes, not to strenuous for the somewhat out of shape. You won’t regret it. (No, I’m not affiliated with them in anyway, just a happy customer) I’ll be there in November and will most likely take another ride with them then. I can’t vouch for this vendor. However I’ve been on bicycle tours several times in several countries (not Thailand, though). Hell of a way to see the country. I’d be a little concerned about safety for cyclists on some roads. I’d also make sure they have a full complement of support equipment including First Aid and Sag Wagons. If they do (and you have the energy) I think this would be a great suggestion.

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I can’t vouch for this vendor. However I’ve been on bicycle tours several times in several countries (not Thailand, though).

*******55555555555555555555  Hell of a way to see the local ‘Red Light’

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If you really want some great adventure and get a great feel of Bangkok try http://www.amazingbangkokcyclist.com/index.html They give bicycle tours, I have gone 2 times and it was great. Not expensive, they provide the bikes, not to strenuous for the somewhat out of shape. You won’t regret it. (No, I’m not affiliated with them in anyway, just a happy customer) I’ll be there in November and will most likely take another ride with them then.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My family, wife and myself with two teens will fly in to Bangkok either in November or December for a week. Our first time there on our own. Question is we like to go shopping, site seeing and of course eat eat eat. Any recommendation for Hotels US$30 to US40 per twin room sharing. Must be safe to stay. Online booking? Is it ok to stay in more than one hotel. 3 nights and 4 nights. Any places for siteseeing.. say day trip? Any shopping places, night markets near-by hotels. Eat…no need to elaborate.. Thank you. Allan

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Hi I also can recommend the Asia Hotel.  Stayed there last year and am going back there in two weeks time — Evelyn

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Before we moved there we stayed at Grand President Hotel.  They are more serviced apartments than a hotel.  Great staff, great hotel and great atmosphere.  I would recommend it highly, but not sure that you will get it in your price range.  We had a 2br suite and I think it was around $US100 a night.Make sure that you want a 2 bed room as most of them are just one bed. Grand Palace (Sanam Chai) This is where the King used to reside.  It is very scenic.  There is also  Wat Phra Keo on the grounds.  Dress Code – No shorts or open shoes. Wat Pho (across road from Grand Palace) This is the most famous Wat in BKK.  A must to see.  Architecture and work is fantastic.  Can have your palm read here or get a Thai massage by one of the monks. Wat Arun(along Chao Phraya River) Take river cruise to get there Long Boat River Cruise (left of Sheraton River City) Get taxi to take you here.   There will be a small booth with a person that will organise the trip for you.  Barter the price.  You will board a long boat (be prepared to get a little wet at times) and they will take you for a ride up the river through the canals, to see how a lot of the locals live.  There will be women in floating boats (only a couple) trying to sell you things.  They sell trinkets and drinks (beer).  The driver will stop at the snake farm and also Wat Arun.  It is always nice to tip the driver THB50-100  - depending on how many people are with you. Floating Markets(Wat Sai) There are many permanent shops and plenty of people in small boats selling things.  Quite a big tourist attraction Chatuchak Weekend Markets (Phahon Yothin) You can take the Skytrain to the markets.  The train stops right outside the market. This is very big and very crowded, but you can get some incredible bargains here – watch for pick pockets. Bridge Over The River Kwai (see hotel or travel agent) This is a 2 – 3 hour trip north of BKK.  On a tour you will leave about 6am and not return until 7pm.  It is a great trip, very touristy.  You can ride the train over death valley, board the train asap as everyone pushes and shoves to get on and you may miss out.  Don’t go in the first carriage as some times it is reserved and you’ll have to get off.  Try and get a private tour guide to take you, then you can go to the War Memorials as well. Jim Thompson House This is a house that belonged to a "silk king" millionaire that mysteriously disappeared in 1967.  It is a display of this private collection of antiques, silk etc. Lumpini Park (cnr Rama IV & Ratcharamri) – Nice for a stroll around or do some paddle boating in the lake in the middle.  They have an outdoor gym, aerobics and many other activities. This is the main Park and has a lot of greenery. Crocodile Farm (Samut Prakan Province) Here they do Crocodile wrestling and silly things like putting their heads in their mouths.  They also have elephant shows (with crowd participation), tigers, snakes etc.  Have small change to throw in to the Croc Pit. Patpong Road (off Silom) This is the Nightlife spot where all the "girly" bars are, where they have the "ping pong" shows.  There is a strip of them, make sure there is no cover charge to go in.  The women flock to the men as soon as you get in there.  They will massage your shoulders, hands, whatever.  Then they will ask you to buy them a drink.  If you buy them one they will come back for more.  If you are not interested tell them to go away.  It can be a real eye opener.  When we went to one bar, there were people having sex next to us on the chair.  We soon left.  It is very crowded around this area and is absolute chaos at times. Thai Boxing They have boxing at Lumpini Park and there is another major stadium, but I can

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Yeah, we’re close to where the bayou turns into the bay.  I guess we’ll take the kids out treasure hunting this AM.  I hope the fresh water dosn’t kill the fishing.  The trout and redfish were just tearing it up under the lights @ 3 AM last night.  The rain had stopped and the tide was low enough to get out on the pier and I was really tempted but the need for sleep won out. What kinda boat stuff do you have? QL You up Dickinson bayou? I’m in Clear Lake. Fay turned out to be pretty much a weenie, other than the rising tide, didn’t it? Looks like my garage sale will go off as planned today! Need any boat stuff?

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I think it’s time for some legislation regarding the operation of PWC’s. A PWC itself is just metal and plastic; it’s the people operating them that need to be regulated. Here at our lake, there is a HUGE PWC rental industry, and on any weekend, you’ll see scads of them, people (usually hyperhormonal college studs) who have never been near a boat before, zooming around like lunatics, without the slightest clue of what they’re doing. Good God, man, some of these things weigh a quarter of a ton and will hit 60mph almost instantly.  It’s insane. Ron M.

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I am absoultely fed up with the PWC drivers on our lake. No more Mr. Nice Guy. I swear I will start taking photos and video to prove that they are &# idiots!!

Boy!  THAT’s got ‘em all fired up on Saturday Morning!!

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I thought maybe you lived up there. I’ll be up at Alum today also and just about every weekend and weekday when I can get by. Sometimes down to Cumberland for a week or long weekend. Maybe I’ll see you ZoooooM by! Seems like most of the Baja guys up there shave there heads, have big mussles and very blonde girlfriends. Are you one of them? Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nah, I’d didn’t hear about that one, but I will ask around. Indian Lake is down so far now there is no way in hell I am taking the Baja up there. Off to Alum Creek today. I hear Indian Lake is getting pretty shallow about now. Had dinner this evening with the pastor that talked to the wife of the husband and their son who drowned jumping off the pontoon boat this spring. Does anybody know how those two drowned so quickly? It’s only a few feet deep there if I remember, and a sandy bottom? That was so sad…just been there about a week. Chuck Several times I have seen the PWC dumbasses (grown adults) cutting donuts in the swim area (and not the boat swim area) and racing in and out of the area Lake Patrol is NEVER around. Thats pretty bad.  You should have been here last week when 3 newbies on PWC’s were doing donuts at full throttle in the no wake zone by the boat dock and ramp.  In a narrow channel no less.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s my story. Heading back north from a weekend of cruising the upper Chesapeake bay, we’re getting closer to the C & D canal. There’s lots of boats and it’s starting to get a little narrow (relatively speaking.) Anyway, a guy in a big go-fast is screaming towards us in the opposite direction. He splits the difference between me and another boat going my way about 100 yards off to port. Not close enough to scare the crap out of me but close enough that I’m ready for evasive manuvers, couldn’t of done anything anyway, he was going so fast. Matter of fact, he was bouncing so hard that I caught a split second view of one of his babes when he flashed by…her top was in the process of bouncing off! Imagine the damage a 5000 lb. fiberglass rocket doing 60 mph would do. Don’t get me wrong, I love those things, love hearing them go by as well, just not so friggin close in a crowded area! Too easy to make a deadly mistake going that fast.

Steam,    I’ll second that story with a short one i experienced this week. Monday being a holiday was of course the last big holiday before the weather turns cold here in Utah. Anyone who knows Utah, knows the water is slowly drying up due to drought. Well, i headed up to Strawberry Reservoir this week to catch a little fishing and fun time. I had little trouble getting out on the lake. People were all over the place, but i expected nothing less. My brother and I headed out and made it 1/2 the distance across the lake when i hear this ungodly noise behind me. Just as i turned to look, some FOOL in a big ole Baja flew past me on my port side not more than 40 feet away. Now the damn thing was big and fast, and it threw a wake at me that nearly knocked me out of my chair. My brother gave the guy a one finger salute, and i cut hard to starboard to try and miss the wake.  I was only in my old 18 footer doing about 25. This guy passed me like a bat outta hell. There was not another soul around us for a 1000 yards. Why he did that to me is beyond me. I guess i just don’t understand the need to be an ass. I saw that same guy weaving around fishing boats for two hours before i got so fed up that we loaded up and went home. I don’t need to die because some idiot needs to prove he has testosterone. Later. M Russon

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–  guess he didn’t want to speak too much because he smelt like booze and lots of it. anything. I guess he didn’t want to speak too much because he smelt like booze and lots of it.

And here is the problem, not PWC’s.  Drinking and PWC usage is only about 4% of all boating drunkeness. (it is hard to ride and drink)  But where I boat MANY large boaters are driving after many drinks.  Don’t blame the craft, blame the act. Tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I hear Indian Lake is getting pretty shallow about now. Had dinner this evening with the pastor that talked to the wife of the husband and their son who drowned jumping off the pontoon boat this spring. Does anybody know how those two drowned so quickly? It’s only a few feet deep there if I remember, and a sandy bottom? That was so sad…just been there about a week. Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several times I have seen the PWC dumbasses (grown adults) cutting donuts in the swim area (and not the boat swim area) and racing in and out of the area Lake Patrol is NEVER around. Thats pretty bad.  You should have been here last week when 3 newbies on PWC’s were doing donuts at full throttle in the no wake zone by the boat dock and ramp.  In a narrow channel no less.

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You up Dickinson bayou? I’m in Clear Lake. Fay turned out to be pretty much a weenie, other than the rising tide, didn’t it? Looks like my garage sale will go off as planned today! Need any boat stuff? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just gotta jump in here, I live on the water.  My living room window looks out over a 300 yard wide bayou and I get to look at all types of vessels from 60 footers to canoes…and many PWC.  We have NO problems from the PWC, but we do have a real problem from the 30 to 40 footers running just below plane and sending 3 to 4 foot waves into our docks and boats and fishermen tying up to our docks to use our lights to fish and throwing their trash all around and people dumping old boats in our backyards.  Anyone can screw-up and the riders of PWC have a greater potential for creating an accident because of their speed and unique handling…thus PCW riders need to use more care that most other types of watercraft.  But let’s not forget that many conventional boaters are just as careless and thoughtless.  I’m out on the water several times each week (more than most of you I’d guess), sailing, fishing and often riding my GSX PWC and no class of watercraft is without it’s share of "idiots" and gentle-folk.  Get off of your high-horses. BTW, because of tropical storm Fay, the bayou is considerably wider and deeper night now and I’ve got 5 boats setting in the yard rather than tied to the dock or up in the boathouse. :-)  The sailboat needed a bottom job anyway so a good excuse to pull it out this AM.  Really fun putting it on the trailer in blinding rain and 30 knots of wind. QL a typical inconsiderate jetskier roared by my transom at maximum wake  and pushed the bow up onto the concrete side of the ramp. This was at a public park with six ramps and a bunch of boats coming in on a Sunday afternoon. Talk about inconsiderate a**holes. Nice gouge in the bow off my boat. No wonder everybody hates them. AND ONCE AGAIN   Did you call the police and did they show up? Did you get the #s off of his boat to turn into the police or insurance company.     Unless people start doing something positive about the jet ski problem these jerks will never stop thier bad give a shit behavior!                            My.02! Larry Hill

– Keith "The sea was angry that day, my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli." – George Louis Costanza

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AMEN! Tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just gotta jump in here, I live on the water.  My living room window looks out over a 300 yard wide bayou and I get to look at all types of vessels from 60 footers to canoes…and many PWC.  We have NO problems from the PWC, but we do have a real problem from the 30 to 40 footers running just below plane and sending 3 to 4 foot waves into our docks and boats and fishermen tying up to our docks to use our lights to fish and throwing their trash all around and people dumping old boats in our backyards.  Anyone can screw-up and the riders of PWC have a greater potential for creating an accident because of their speed and unique handling…thus PCW riders need to use more care that most other types of watercraft.  But let’s not forget that many conventional boaters are just as careless and thoughtless.  I’m out on the water several times each week (more than most of you I’d guess), sailing, fishing and often riding my GSX PWC and no class of watercraft is without it’s share of "idiots" and gentle-folk.  Get off of your high-horses. BTW, because of tropical storm Fay, the bayou is considerably wider and deeper night now and I’ve got 5 boats setting in the yard rather than tied to the dock or up in the boathouse. :-)  The sailboat needed a bottom job anyway so a good excuse to pull it out this AM.  Really fun putting it on the trailer in blinding rain and 30 knots of wind. QL a typical inconsiderate jetskier roared by my transom at maximum wake  and pushed the bow up onto the concrete side of the ramp. This was at a public park with six ramps and a bunch of boats coming in on a Sunday afternoon. Talk about inconsiderate a**holes. Nice gouge in the bow off my boat. No wonder everybody hates them. AND ONCE AGAIN   Did you call the police and did they show up? Did you get the #s off of his boat to turn into the police or insurance company.     Unless people start doing something positive about the jet ski problem these jerks will never stop thier bad give a shit behavior!                            My.02! Larry Hill

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I just gotta jump in here, I live on the water.  My living room window looks out over a 300 yard wide bayou and I get to look at all types of vessels from 60 footers to canoes…and many PWC.  We have NO problems from the PWC, but we do have a real problem from the 30 to 40 footers running just below plane and sending 3 to 4 foot waves into our docks and boats and fishermen tying up to our docks to use our lights to fish and throwing their trash all around and people dumping old boats in our backyards.  Anyone can screw-up and the riders of PWC have a greater potential for creating an accident because of their speed and unique handling…thus PCW riders need to use more care that most other types of watercraft.  But let’s not forget that many conventional boaters are just as careless and thoughtless.  I’m out on the water several times each week (more than most of you I’d guess), sailing, fishing and often riding my GSX PWC and no class of watercraft is without it’s share of "idiots" and gentle-folk.  Get off of your high-horses. BTW, because of tropical storm Fay, the bayou is considerably wider and deeper night now and I’ve got 5 boats setting in the yard rather than tied to the dock or up in the boathouse. :-)  The sailboat needed a bottom job anyway so a good excuse to pull it out this AM.  Really fun putting it on the trailer in blinding rain and 30 knots of wind. QL

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – a typical inconsiderate jetskier roared by my transom at maximum wake  and pushed the bow up onto the concrete side of the ramp. This was at a public park with six ramps and a bunch of boats coming in on a Sunday afternoon. Talk about inconsiderate a**holes. Nice gouge in the bow off my boat. No wonder everybody hates them. AND ONCE AGAIN   Did you call the police and did they show up? Did you get the #s off of his boat to turn into the police or insurance company.     Unless people start doing something positive about the jet ski problem these jerks will never stop thier bad give a shit behavior!                            My.02! Larry Hill

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Nah, I’d didn’t hear about that one, but I will ask around. Indian Lake is down so far now there is no way in hell I am taking the Baja up there. Off to Alum Creek today.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hear Indian Lake is getting pretty shallow about now. Had dinner this evening with the pastor that talked to the wife of the husband and their son who drowned jumping off the pontoon boat this spring. Does anybody know how those two drowned so quickly? It’s only a few feet deep there if I remember, and a sandy bottom? That was so sad…just been there about a week. Chuck Several times I have seen the PWC dumbasses (grown adults) cutting donuts in the swim area (and not the boat swim area) and racing in and out of the area Lake Patrol is NEVER around. Thats pretty bad.  You should have been here last week when 3 newbies on PWC’s were doing donuts at full throttle in the no wake zone by the boat dock and ramp.  In a narrow channel no less.

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It seems its just guys with more money than brains, regardless of they type of vessel the possess.  The lack of any manners or sea sense  is just more obvious with pwc because they are simple to operate, and accessible to those who would in other circumstances ever be behind the helm of a full sized craft.  I drove one once,  thought it was fun (once) but does not appeal to me personally.  I have however experienced guys in large boats with the same over compensating testosterone driven style as the worst of the bad pwcers.  Ignorance and lack of couth knows no vessel type, we are surrounded!!!   lol Cheers safe boating  Michael

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am absoultely fed up with the PWC drivers on our lake. Gee, sounds familiar to me. As I was easing my boat up to the ramp to let a friend off to get my car and trailer, a typical inconsiderate jetskier roared by my transom at maximum wake  and pushed the bow up onto the concrete side of the ramp. This was at a public park with six ramps and a bunch of boats coming in on a Sunday afternoon. Talk about inconsiderate a**holes. Nice gouge in the bow off my boat. No wonder everybody hates them.

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It seems its just guys with more money than brains, regardless of they type of vessel the possess.  The lack of any manners or sea sense  is just more obvious with pwc because they are simple to operate, and accessible to those who would in other circumstances ever be behind the helm of a full sized craft.  I drove one once,  thought it was fun (once) but does not appeal to me personally.  I have however experienced guys in large boats with the same over compensating testosterone driven style as the worst of the bad pwcers.  Ignorance and lack of couth knows no vessel type, we are surrounded!!!   lol Cheers safe boating  Michael

Ditto that! Here’s my story. Heading back north from a weekend of cruising the upper Chesapeake bay, we’re getting closer to the C & D canal. There’s lots of boats and it’s starting to get a little narrow (relatively speaking.) Anyway, a guy in a big go-fast is screaming towards us in the opposite direction. He splits the difference between me and another boat going my way about 100 yards off to port. Not close enough to scare the crap out of me but close enough that I’m ready for evasive manuvers, couldn’t of done anything anyway, he was going so fast. Matter of fact, he was bouncing so hard that I caught a split second view of one of his babes when he flashed by…her top was in the process of bouncing off! Imagine the damage a 5000 lb. fiberglass rocket doing 60 mph would do. Don’t get me wrong, I love those things, love hearing them go by as well, just not so friggin close in a crowded area! Too easy to make a deadly mistake going that fast.

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Perhaps the fact that his babe’s top was about to fly off encouraged him to keep the throttle all the way down?  I wouldn’t have slowed either if that gave here a chanceto momentarily reach up and recover her top.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It seems its just guys with more money than brains, regardless of they type of vessel the possess.  The lack of any manners or sea sense  is just more obvious with pwc because they are simple to operate, and accessible to those who would in other circumstances ever be behind the helm of a full sized craft.  I drove one once,  thought it was fun (once) but does not appeal to me personally.  I have however experienced guys in large boats with the same over compensating testosterone driven style as the worst of the bad pwcers.  Ignorance and lack of couth knows no vessel type, we are surrounded!!!   lol Cheers safe boating  Michael Ditto that! Here’s my story. Heading back north from a weekend of cruising the upper Chesapeake bay, we’re getting closer to the C & D canal. There’s lots of boats and it’s starting to get a little narrow (relatively speaking.) Anyway, a guy in a big go-fast is screaming towards us in the opposite direction. He splits the difference between me and another boat going my way about 100 yards off to port. Not close enough to scare the crap out of me but close enough that I’m ready for evasive manuvers, couldn’t of done anything anyway, he was going so fast. Matter of fact, he was bouncing so hard that I caught a split second view of one of his babes when he flashed by…her top was in the process of bouncing off! Imagine the damage a 5000 lb. fiberglass rocket doing 60 mph would do. Don’t get me wrong, I love those things, love hearing them go by as well, just not so friggin close in a crowded area! Too easy to make a deadly mistake going that fast.

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a typical inconsiderate jetskier roared by my transom at maximum wake  and pushed the bow up onto the concrete side of the ramp. This was at a public park with six ramps and a bunch of boats coming in on a Sunday afternoon. Talk about inconsiderate a**holes. Nice gouge in the bow off my boat. No wonder everybody hates them. AND ONCE AGAIN   Did you call the police and did they show up? Did you get the

#s off of his boat to turn into the police or insurance company.     Unless people start doing something positive about the jet ski problem these jerks will never stop thier bad give a shit behavior!                            My.02! Larry Hill

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I am glad your daughter is ok.   I am a PWC owner.  Having said that, that jetskier was a complete idiot and should have been arrested and his "boat" impounded.     I also hope your daughter wasn’t sitting in the channel at a sharp turn.  That is inviting trouble.  I am not saying that as an excuse but just common sense.   The skier should have slowed down if he was going around a turn.     The jetskier was at fault all the way around.  He should have been apologizing all the way back to the landing. It PWC-er’s like them that ruin it for the rest of us. I hope everything works out for you. Frankie

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One other thing I would like to add.   You’re title is "Damn you PWC’s"!      I understand your anger towards that irresponsible jerk but had that been a boater or  someone other than a jetskier would your title be, "Damn you Boaters!"??

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Damn you PWC’s was an impulse, yet, If it were a boat I would expulse the same message. I have spent so much money and time on my cottage and boat that I have become protective and cautious, nontheless, I still enjoy my time until it is disruptive. I guess the idea is that when you go away for vacation it is supposed to be just that. NO worries except the usual "What is 50:1 with 20 gallons of gas….."; other than that I should expect peace, quiet and privacy. My 2 cents….

One other thing I would like to add.   You’re title is "Damn you PWC’s"! I understand your anger towards that irresponsible jerk but had that been a boater or  someone other than a jetskier would your title be, "Damn you Boaters!"??

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I am absoultely fed up with the PWC drivers on our lake.

Gee, sounds familiar to me. As I was easing my boat up to the ramp to let a friend off to get my car and trailer, a typical inconsiderate jetskier roared by my transom at maximum wake  and pushed the bow up onto the concrete side of the ramp. This was at a public park with six ramps and a bunch of boats coming in on a Sunday afternoon. Talk about inconsiderate a**holes. Nice gouge in the bow off my boat. No wonder everybody hates them.

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I understand your point.  I would be angry too.    You spend your hard earned money for a place to relax and then this happens.  There should be a way for all types of rec boat sports to enjoy themselves w/o infringing on others.   Some places are not meant for PWC’s.     When I am on my PWC, I always keep it slow and keep my distance when around other boaters and I always obey the no wake laws. I hope you can enjoy the rest of the warm weather. Frankie

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When we did call them it took almost 50 minutes before they showed up at the landing.

And what did they do? Larry Hill

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Thats pretty bad.  You should have been here last week when 3 newbies on PWC’s were doing donuts at full throttle in the no wake zone by the boat dock and ramp.  In a narrow channel no less.

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Several times I have seen the PWC dumbasses (grown adults) cutting donuts in the swim area (and not the boat swim area) and racing in and out of the area Lake Patrol is NEVER around.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thats pretty bad.  You should have been here last week when 3 newbies on PWC’s were doing donuts at full throttle in the no wake zone by the boat dock and ramp.  In a narrow channel no less.

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Ken, Glad to hear that your are as fed up as I am.  As a long time owner of both traditional boats and PWCs I have strong feelings on this matter. In the post war years (WW II) the boating industry banded together as the AWA, and then the NMMA.  These manufactures acted to protect numerous common business interests, but one matter took precedent above all others

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and Westerners…?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If we were to have a rec.boats gathering … you know, some event where we all can actually physically get together in one place and meet one another … should we hire a catering hall, a cruise boat, or a WWF wrestling ring. Just wondering … Larry Weiss Probably a WWF wrestling ring. :-) I like your idea though.  It would be kinda neat to meet everyone.  I would vote for Virginia Beach.  All the northerners could come down, and the southerners could come up. Butch Ammon

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I would propose something like 2 man canoe races on a small, windy lake.  Canoe partners would be chosen by the level of hostility they’ve demonstrated towards each other over the past year.  Anyone with out a sufficiently high "hostility index" could sit on shore and watch the fun.  Then, VCR replays on shore after the races along with a few cool ones.  I’d be willing to spring for a few canoe rentals just for the opportunity of seeing Harry and MadCow pulling together! Particularly embarassing replays could be auctioned off to fund the next years event. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If we were to have a rec.boats gathering … you know, some event where we all can actually physically get together in one place and meet one another … should we hire a catering hall, a cruise boat, or a WWF wrestling ring. Just wondering … Larry Weiss

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I’d be willing to spring for a few canoe rentals

just for the opportunity of seeing Harry and MadCow pulling together!<< — WayneB Several of us had a Chesapeake Bay mini-rendezvous a few years ago.  The main activity, IIRC, was drinking daiquiries. If Harry had shown up, I would have set a new record for casting off and hauling ass.

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just for the opportunity of seeing Harry and MadCow pulling together!

I can see it now, hey MadCow! That looks more like a machette than a paddle, hey what are you doing, look out Harry, oh, ugh,,,yech. Me, I want to paddle with Glenn Ashmore, I have seen photos of the shop, he has all the cool toys. Probably got some kind of rocket powered paddle or something ;) Scotty, really, I am betting that if it were to really happen, we would probably all get along pretty well…..well cept for Cow and Harry but we won’t let them wear nametags! Scotty

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I’d be willing to spring for a few canoe rentals just for the opportunity of seeing Harry and MadCow pulling together!<< — WayneB Several of us had a Chesapeake Bay mini-rendezvous a few years ago.  The main activity, IIRC, was drinking daiquiries. If Harry had shown up, I would have set a new record for casting off and hauling ass.

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My apologies to everyone on the "left" coast and midwesterners….. The only place that would come to mind that would be roughly equal distance would be Kansas City.  Anyone up for boating on the Missouri River?  Maybe cruise the river all the way to St.Louis into the Mississippi. The canoe race idea sounds hilarous.  Harry and MadCow in a canoe?  Ain’t gonna happen….  She’d smack him silly with a canoe paddle!  He’d tip the canoe and dump her overboard!  It would be the ultimate "battle of the sexes"!  LOL!!! Butch Ammon

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I would propose something like 2 man canoe races on a small, windy lake.  Canoe partners would be chosen by the level of hostility they’ve demonstrated towards each other over the past year.  Anyone with out a sufficiently high "hostility index" could sit on shore and watch the fun.  Then, VCR replays on shore after the races along with a few cool ones.  I’d be willing to spring for a few canoe rentals just for the opportunity of seeing Harry and MadCow pulling together! Particularly embarassing replays could be auctioned off to fund the next years event.

Don’t forget the live video server on broadcast.yahoo.com with archived video snippets we can run when they all get flailing away at each other next winter…… Larry

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The way things have been going this year, they’ll probably want to hold it under an interstate overpass where the cops won’t catch them flailing away at each other with motorcycle chains and baseball bats….. I’d say a biker bar in a sleazy neighborhood in Detroit would be more appropriate and might be the only place that will have us if they find out what goes on here…..(c; If we were to have a rec.boats gathering … you know, some event where we all can actually physically get together in one place and meet one another … should we hire a catering hall, a cruise boat, or a WWF wrestling ring. Just wondering … Larry Weiss

Larry

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My apologies to everyone on the "left" coast and midwesterners….. The only place that would come to mind that would be roughly equal distance would be Kansas City.  Anyone up for boating on the Missouri River?  Maybe cruise the river all the way to St.Louis into the Mississippi. The canoe race idea sounds hilarous.  Harry and MadCow in a canoe?  Ain’t gonna happen….  She’d smack him silly with a canoe paddle!  He’d tip the canoe and dump her overboard!  It would be the ultimate "battle of the sexes"!  LOL!!! Butch Ammon

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The way things have been going this year, they’ll probably want to hold it under an interstate overpass where the cops won’t catch them flailing away at each other with motorcycle chains and baseball bats…..

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I would propose something like 2 man canoe races on a small, windy lake.  Canoe partners would be chosen by the level of hostility they’ve demonstrated towards each other over the past year.  Anyone with out a sufficiently high "hostility index" could sit on shore and watch the fun.  Then, VCR replays on shore after the races along with a few cool ones.  I’d be willing to spring for a few canoe rentals just for the opportunity of seeing Harry and MadCow pulling together! Particularly embarassing replays could be auctioned off to fund the next years event.

I don’t allow no ugleeee wimmin in my old Old Town… — Harry Krause – - Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest of reasons, will somehow work for the benefit of us all. – John Maynard Keynes

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I would propose something like 2 man canoe races on a small, windy lake.  Canoe partners would be chosen by the level of hostility they’ve demonstrated towards each other over the past year.  Anyone with out a sufficiently high "hostility index" could sit on shore and watch the fun.  Then, VCR replays on shore after the races along with a few cool ones.  I’d be willing to spring for a few canoe rentals just for the opportunity of seeing Harry and MadCow pulling together! Particularly embarassing replays could be auctioned off to fund the next years event. I don’t allow no ugleeee wimmin in my old Old Town…

Not a problem.  Just for the enjoyment of watching the spectacle I’d let the two of you borrow my 17 ft Grumman. Let the games begin…! Anybody got a camcorder?  This tape will be priceless.

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Grumman? Alum canoe? Blech!  :]

Yep.  Very high up on the durability scale however.   That could be a major asset for the contest in question.

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Grumman? Alum canoe? Blech!  :] Yep.  Very high up on the durability scale however.   That could be a major asset for the contest in question.

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If we were to have a rec.boats gathering … you know, some event where we all can actually physically get together in one place and meet one another … should we hire a catering hall, a cruise boat, or a WWF wrestling ring. Just wondering … Larry Weiss

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would propose something like 2 man canoe races on a small, windy lake.  Canoe partners would be chosen by the level of hostility they’ve demonstrated towards each other over the past year.  Anyone with out a sufficiently high "hostility index" could sit on shore and watch the fun.  Then, VCR replays on shore after the races along with a few cool ones.  I’d be willing to spring for a few canoe rentals just for the opportunity of seeing Harry and MadCow pulling together! Particularly embarassing replays could be auctioned off to fund the next years event. I don’t allow no ugleeee wimmin in my old Old Town… Not a problem.  Just for the enjoyment of watching the spectacle I’d let the two of you borrow my 17 ft Grumman. Let the games begin…! Anybody got a camcorder?  This tape will be priceless.

Grumman? Alum canoe? Blech!  :] — Harry Krause – - Those who profess to want freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. – Frederick Douglass

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Hey, what about those of us out here on the left coast?? How about Kansas..we can all take a ride in Skippers boat :-) . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If we were to have a rec.boats gathering … you know, some event where we all can actually physically get together in one place and meet one another … should we hire a catering hall, a cruise boat, or a WWF wrestling ring. Just wondering … Larry Weiss Probably a WWF wrestling ring. :-) I like your idea though.  It would be kinda neat to meet everyone.  I would vote for Virginia Beach.  All the northerners could come down, and the southerners could come up. Butch Ammon

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If we were to have a rec.boats gathering … you know, some event where we all can actually physically get together in one place and meet one another … should we hire a catering hall, a cruise boat, or a WWF wrestling ring. Just wondering … Larry Weiss

Probably a WWF wrestling ring. :-) I like your idea though.  It would be kinda neat to meet everyone.  I would vote for Virginia Beach.  All the northerners could come down, and the southerners could come up. Butch Ammon

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It's November the 28th again…

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… it’s almost highkneeling in style. …

Ahhhhh, you just had to bring up the High Kneel!  We’ve been tactfully refraining from slamming you about that… it’s just *so*…. well… er, um, … [can I type "sissy" in a family newsgroup, without stepping on someone's PC?] -Richard Richard Hopley, Rockville, Maryland, USA                  (301) 330-8265        Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock’n'Roll

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Pete &/or Seth, I’ve got one for you.  A custom-designed fiberglass job.  My friend Jim Gross needed to make room in his boathouse, and he has always been too heavy for this boat — cannot keep the chines above the surface.  It’s a six- or eight-year old design: high volume bow and low volume stern. Needs thigh straps, but the attachment points are there.  Decorated like a Gypsy caravan!  It’s in my van. -Richard Richard Hopley, Rockville, Maryland, USA                  (301) 330-8265        Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock’n'Roll

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Nobody has taken over the litter cleanup on MacArthur Blvd by Great Falls, which was done under the Adopt-a-Road program of Montgomery County. The road sign reads "Kayakers, Canoeists, and Scott’s Friends." I have been unable to organize these cleanups because I have been in Toronto for the last 18 months. I see that people have continued to pick up trash, and my thanks to everyone that has continued to participate on their own time. A couple organized cleanups a year makes a visible and long-lasting difference on this stretch of road. It is tough to get paddlers out on nice weekends, wet weekends, dam release weeekends etc etc., so tirnouts were never huge. I did it alone one time, and a ploiceman pulled over, said hello, and shook my hand. It made the day worthwhile. One hassle is that this program has been run very, very badly by Montgomery County. The phone numbers change monthly and nobody in Public Works seems to know about it and the trash bags are often never collected. However, I have a recent letter from the County, and here are contact #’s if anyone is interested: Tom Pogue (240) 777-7150 Sandie Callis (240) 777-7155 Last year the county wanted to limit the program to businesses and more established nonprofits like organized clubs. Gregg

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yeah Richard, when it comes to maggott potter, sissy is ok…. even in caps! jeffy boy likes to stir things up and split, he rarely knows what he’s talking about. so yup fellow boaters… it’s open season, fire away. all pirates will see the flag and launch raids upon him whenever/where ever he surfaces. Corsairs of the Paddle… prepare to fire at will… have a nice day jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … it’s almost highkneeling in style. … Ahhhhh, you just had to bring up the High Kneel!  We’ve been tactfully refraining from slamming you about that… it’s just *so*…. well… er, um, … [can I type "sissy" in a family newsgroup, without stepping on someone's PC?] -Richard

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… it’s almost highkneeling in style. … Ahhhhh, you just had to bring up the High Kneel!  We’ve been tactfully refraining from slamming you about that… it’s just *so*…. well… er, um, … [can I type "sissy" in a family newsgroup, without stepping on someone's PC?]

Some of the manueverability of DC1 also reminds me a bit of….POLING! –JP

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You have obviously never been in a Class V rapid laced with enormous holes that can eat you alive. Even for the skateboarder types, it is one of the most Zen experiences in existence– and it involves paddling, alot. It boils down to this– if I don’t paddle, I die.  Letting the current carry you away might make you one with everything, but only in the post-existence sense.

On the other hand, one hears persistent stories of rafts that have broken away from their tie-downs, and run some of the biggest rapids in the Grand Canyon, including both Crystal and Lava.  When the boats are found days later, they are often right-side up, with items of gear still there that weren’t tied in.

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Hi Jeff, You have obviously never been in a Class V rapid laced with enormous holes that can eat you alive. Even for the skateboarder types, it is one of the most Zen experiences in existence– and it involves paddling, alot.

I thought I had that in there: skateboarder with a death wish: there ya go! It boils down to this– if I don’t paddle, I die.  Letting the current carry you away might make you one with everything, but only in the post-existence sense.

You’re right, you do have to work a lot in a DC1 (decked C1)…a lot at PRYING that is! Oh all right, actually I love DC1 and am just trying to hassle the maggots. Of course C1 paddlers are the coolest of all the maggots out there. I really like the offside stuff especially. And I don’t mean to be mean about the PRYING. It’s legit paddling. Hey, it’s almost highkneeling in style. It’s just that the boats are scarcely boats, don’t carry and don’t go straight. But you’re right you need em to survive them darn watersluices they go down. –A few times anyway–then you get to play at cutting yourself out of the boat, or go thru the motions for a minute or so anyway. (Deathwish sports are very *weird*.) I also like in C1 how you can lunge WAY out there all over the place to make moves. ‘Course it can be hell on the shoulders…("oops there goes another one!" *sproing*). –JP

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Hi Jeff, You have obviously never been in a Class V rapid laced with enormous holes that can eat you alive. Even for the skateboarder types, it is one of the most Zen experiences in existence– and it involves paddling, alot. It boils down to this– if I don’t paddle, I die.  Letting the current carry you away might make you one with everything, but only in the post-existence sense. Chuck http://users.moscow.com/pezeshki – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wouldn’t call what you guys do paddlin, tho. Nor gliding, nor carrying hardly anything. It’s wedgie boat fever: "Hey, I’m a maggot, just shoe-horn me into my ‘boat’ and let the current carry me away!"

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It’s wedgie boat fever: "Hey, I’m a maggot, just shoe-horn me into my ‘boat’ and let the current carry me away!" Of course you can submerge the whole thing just by bouncing. Well, you can always cut yourself out in an emergency with oneathem fancy vest knives, kind of, theoretically. (I’m trying, anyway!) —JP naw Jeffie "maggot" boy, I’d just use "…oneathem fancy vest knives…" to cut some "drain" holes in YOUR boat… =)  Have a nice day,…

Ran into a girl paddeling on the Connecticut River yesterday, she had a White Water boat I in a open canoe. Took some pictures, chatted, we had met before…She did not know that she was in a WW boat and I did not care, I guess we were just out of touch and did not know we were supposed to be mortal enemies. The scenery is just as pretty, the water just as cold, no matter what kind of boat you are paddling…Scotty, breakin all the rules.

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It’s wedgie boat fever: "Hey, I’m a maggot, just shoe-horn me into my ‘boat’ and let the current carry me away!" Of course you can submerge the whole thing just by bouncing. Well, you can always cut yourself out in an emergency with oneathem fancy vest knives, kind of, theoretically. (I’m trying, anyway!) —JP

naw Jeffie "maggot" boy, I’d just use "…oneathem fancy vest knives…" to cut some "drain" holes in YOUR boat… =)  Have a nice day,…

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[  ] You mean OC1. They’re not real boats coz you don’t really paddle em. You manuever them downhill with various ungainly pries. (I wouldn’t really call em "strokes.") All while attempting to avoid doom enroute. Kinda like a skateboard on water, only playing for keeps, lord knows why. Wheee! No, actually, I mean "C-1".  The boat I have for the Chapelles is a decked canoe; a variant of the slalom class designated by the USA Canoe & Kayak team and the International Canoe Federation as "C-1" (see www.usack.org).  An OC-1 is an open canoe, solo; nothing to do with this thread.

Ha…oops! I’m wrong. Darn, I go to jump at the WW-heads and land on the ground. Doh! A C1 is a flatwater boat for real paddlers who are actually paddling up and down all kinds of actual waterways, as opposed to falling water sluices, and which are useful for all sorts of actual boating uses. Well, hmmm.  I could actually get my whitewater OC-1 up and down all the waterways you refer to.  Could "real paddlers" get their flatwater "C1"s down the "falling water sluices" and waterfalls that I run in my canoe? Jus’ wondrin’, doncha know?

You’re right, we flatwater-heads couldn’t get down the sluices. But I’m not sure I’d call em waterways. They’re purty but more like water going down a drain or gutter: only fit for carrying things away. And it isn’t paddlin’ that you guys are doing on the way down. More like liquid skateboarding. You could PRY your way along my waterways, you’re right, but would you want to? …Paddle a REAL river, I mean? Going around in circles, no keel-line, no carry. I wouldn’t call what you guys do paddlin, tho. Nor gliding, nor carrying hardly anything. It’s wedgie boat fever: "Hey, I’m a maggot, just shoe-horn me into my ‘boat’ and let the current carry me away!" Of course you can submerge the whole thing just by bouncing. Well, you can always cut yourself out in an emergency with oneathem fancy vest knives, kind of, theoretically. (I’m trying, anyway!) —JP

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Sorry, I hit the "Reply" button, rather than "Reply to Sender Only". This was meant to be an eMail message not a newsgroup posting. You mean OC1. They’re not real boats coz you don’t really paddle em. You manuever them downhill with various ungainly pries. (I wouldn’t really call em "strokes.") All while attempting to avoid doom enroute. Kinda like a skateboard on water, only playing for keeps, lord knows why. Wheee!

No, actually, I mean "C-1".  The boat I have for the Chapelles is a decked canoe; a variant of the slalom class designated by the USA Canoe & Kayak team and the International Canoe Federation as "C-1" (see www.usack.org).  An OC-1 is an open canoe, solo; nothing to do with this thread. A C1 is a flatwater boat for real paddlers who are actually paddling up and down all kinds of actual waterways, as opposed to falling water sluices, and which are useful for all sorts of actual boating uses.

Well, hmmm.  I could actually get my whitewater OC-1 up and down all the waterways you refer to.  Could "real paddlers" get their flatwater "C1"s down the "falling water sluices" and waterfalls that I run in my canoe? Jus’ wondrin’, doncha know? -Richard Richard Hopley, Rockville, Maryland, USA                  (301) 330-8265        Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock’n'Roll

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You mean OC1. They’re not real boats coz you don’t really paddle em. You manuever them downhill with various ungainly pries. (I wouldn’t really call em "strokes.") All while attempting to avoid doom enroute. Kinda like a skateboard on water, only playing for keeps, lord knows why. Wheee! A C1 is a flatwater boat for real paddlers who are actually paddling up and down all kinds of actual waterways, as opposed to falling water sluices, and which are useful for all sorts of actual boating uses. –JP Pete &/or Seth, I’ve got one for you.  A custom-designed fiberglass job.  My friend Jim Gross needed to make room in his boathouse, and he has always been too heavy for this boat — cannot keep the chines above the surface.  It’s a six- or eight-year old design: high volume bow and low volume stern. Needs thigh straps, but the attachment points are there.  Decorated like a Gypsy caravan!  It’s in my van.

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i believe you can find some of Scott’s friends over at Boater Talk, they posted yesterday. paddle on… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nobody has taken over the litter cleanup on MacArthur Blvd by Great Falls, which was done under the Adopt-a-Road program of Montgomery County. The road sign reads "Kayakers, Canoeists, and Scott’s Friends."

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He drowned about 2 weeks after I discovered rbp. He and I had never shared a thread, but I also was moved by his death from the reactions of people here. I feel like I ‘just missed him’. I think he’s acquiring a bit of a ‘cult following’, since people who never even met him are touched by his death (and life). Since he represented much of the good in riverrunning (safety, rationality, comaraderie), I don’t think this is a bad thing. And he certainly indirectly has had a hand in several things since that day… Clique numbers, anyone? riverman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You know, I was thinking about him just the other day. It is amazing how time goes by so quickly. Even though I never met him, I read all the posts when it happened and was really moved by peoples comments. Cheers, David H. Johnston Program Coordinator Canadian Recreational Canoeing Association www.crca.ca It’s sometimes surprising to me to see how fast time goes by. That dreadful day in 1998 when Scott Bristow died while paddling at Great Falls is already several years ago. Today I just happened to talk to some people who were around then, that I met at Scott’s Memorial Service. It feels good to know that Scott still lives on in our hearts and minds. I hope that Scott’s paddling some great white water, wherever he is. Wilko P.S. for those of you who didn’t know Scott when he was cheering up RBP with his posts and trip reports, here’s a description I wrote a couple of years ago, when someone else asked who Scott was: http://wilko.webzone.ru/scot-who.txt — Wilko van den Bergh                    quibus(a t)europe(d o t)com     Eindhoven         The Netherlands            Europe —Never take a no from someone not empowered to give you a yes— http://wilko.webzone.ru/

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For what it’s worth, I attended a Gateway Seminar at the Monroe Institute earlier this month.   During one of the sessions we did without tapes, I found myself going back to November 28, 1998 and experiencing what Scott must have felt – the curtain of water bearing down on my chest.  It was strangely cathartic – not morbid at all.  A friend of Dan Dunlap’s had suggested the Monroe Institute to me after I related the "Music of the Andes" experience to her.  I’ve never posted that here – just on Soulboating in response to a post on why someone else’s relatives couldn’t understand the motives to paddle.  For anyone interested in TMI, here’s the link: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ It’s because they can’t hear the Music of the Andes Posted by Mothra on Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 5:05 a.m., in response to That’s refreshing Ed,, posted by matt h on Wednesday, 13 December 2000, at 10:22 p.m. I flew back from Ecuador a week early. Having taken a major nasal douche during a 20 second (mostly upside-down) ride in Gringos Revueltos hole, I caught a bug that moved from my GI tract to my respiratory system and left me too weak to continue paddling. I was disappoined in getting sick once again, and disappointed that I had not been able to hook up with my rbp friend JDD RIO in Tena as we had planned. As the jet soared over Quito and those spectacular mountains, I started hearing very distinct Andean melodies. Flutes, guitars, percussion – all very clear – which is remarkable since I’m not a musical person. 4 or 5 entirely distinct songs playing just for me clear as day in my head. I felt like a Mozart or Beethovan – the music was just coming to me unbidden. It was spectacular and remarkable, and was a magnificent ending to a somewhat disappointing trip. I spent an entire week recouperating on my return, not even turning on the computer. When I did, horrible news greeted me. I wailed in grief when I discovered that JDD RIO had died in Ecuador, of a heart attack suffered on a class 5-6 trib of the upper Toachi. I now believe that Dan was speaking with me throught the chink in the universe – communicating through time and space with those haunting melodies. Some say we shouldn’t worry to much about what happens after death, that it may be like a child being born. . . . —— – Mothra

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It’s sometimes surprising to me to see how fast time goes by. That dreadful day in 1998 when Scott Bristow died while paddling at Great Falls is already several years ago. Today I just happened to talk to some people who were around then, that I met at Scott’s Memorial Service. It feels good to know that Scott still lives on in our hearts and minds.

I was thinking about him today also. It was a beautiful day here in the DC area today – unusually warm – very much like the day Scott died. I was with friends from my homeschool playgroup today – and I mentioned that it was the 3 year anniversary of Scott’s death. Several of them remembered that time – as I had taken a break from the search to introduce newborn Rowan to her playgroup friends…….Today we were at the same house as that day – and Rowan was running all over the yard – playing dolls with her friends……3 years brings so many changes -I wonder what 3 years would have brought in Scott’s life –  I have thought alot about Scott’s parents this week……. I have yet to go out to Scott’s Rock……Pete and I talked about going out last weekend as the water is low – like it was that day…..but in the end we went to Harper’s Ferry – and played at Whitehorse running into a couple RBP lurkers and friends…. Maybe the time will come – odd to think my kids are thinking about running the Falls – 3 years ago in that week of the search Heather got her first ender at Difficult Run and Seth didn’t have the skills to make the ferry to Scott’s Rock……I wish Scott could see them now :-) sheila

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You know, I was thinking about him just the other day. It is amazing how time goes by so quickly. Even though I never met him, I read all the posts when it happened and was really moved by peoples comments. Cheers, David H. Johnston Program Coordinator Canadian Recreational Canoeing Association www.crca.ca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s sometimes surprising to me to see how fast time goes by. That dreadful day in 1998 when Scott Bristow died while paddling at Great Falls is already several years ago. Today I just happened to talk to some people who were around then, that I met at Scott’s Memorial Service. It feels good to know that Scott still lives on in our hearts and minds. I hope that Scott’s paddling some great white water, wherever he is. Wilko P.S. for those of you who didn’t know Scott when he was cheering up RBP with his posts and trip reports, here’s a description I wrote a couple of years ago, when someone else asked who Scott was: http://wilko.webzone.ru/scot-who.txt — Wilko van den Bergh                    quibus(a t)europe(d o t)com     Eindhoven         The Netherlands            Europe —Never take a no from someone not empowered to give you a yes— http://wilko.webzone.ru/

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It’s sometimes surprising to me to see how fast time goes by. That dreadful day in 1998 when Scott Bristow died while paddling at Great Falls is already several years ago. Today I just happened to talk to some people who were around then, that I met at Scott’s Memorial Service. It feels good to know that Scott still lives on in our hearts and minds. I hope that Scott’s paddling some great white water, wherever he is. Wilko P.S. for those of you who didn’t know Scott when he was cheering up RBP with his posts and trip reports, here’s a description I wrote a couple of years ago, when someone else asked who Scott was: http://wilko.webzone.ru/scot-who.txt — Wilko van den Bergh                    quibus(a t)europe(d o t)com     Eindhoven         The Netherlands            Europe —Never take a no from someone not empowered to give you a yes— http://wilko.webzone.ru/

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Canoeing

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Duane, I’ve got a venerable Grumman myself and I feel your pain about loading it on a pickup.  I bolted a metal tamp pad on the bed with a swivel on top. I only have to lift one end of the canoe on top of the swivel then pick up the back end and bring it around to the front of the pickup.  I only have to actually lift from 30-40 pounds this way.  Not very high tech, but it works for me.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to the group for all of your advise.  As one who is new to this sport I find it all very valuable, even when issued tongue in cheek. First, however I must apologies.  I’m using a hand-me-down computer, and I wasn’t aware that "Douglas" was going to be signed as the name when I post. That has now been corrected.  The name is Duane. I live in Portland, Oregon, and I’m not new to boating, just canoeing. Having shed myself of the 36 foot Uniflite cabin cruiser that has dominated my time and recourses for so long, I found myself not willing to leave the water–just the expenses of big boats.  As I learned, B-O-A-T does not spell boat, it stands for Break Out Another Thousand. The 17 foot Grumman does indeed have a keel, and I appreciate the advise to steer clear of rocks or get hung up.  I hadn’t thought of that.  I also appreciated discussion on paddle length.  I hadn’t thought of that either. Next on the list of thank-yous is mention of transporting this long piece of sheet metal.  I not only hadn’t thought of it, but am now wondering just how the heck my old and worn out body is going to hoist that 70 pounds of metal up onto the roof of my pickup.  It didn’t look nearly so high until I tried it by myself, then it seemed the truck suddenly got several feet taller. Again, thanks to all who responded with advise.  You have supplied something of value and I greatly appreciate it. Duane in Portland, OR.

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Search the net for the Thule 547 Outrigger Kayak/Canoe Loader; it might be what you need to help haul the canoe up on top.  As you’ll see, one bar of the rack extends about two feet off the side of the vehicle so you can put up one end, then when that’s resting there lift up the other.  I’m also looking at this considering it may also reduce the risk of banging the boat against the vehicle, which is important to me. Good luck. Rick Bryan New York, NY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Next on the list of thank-yous is mention of transporting this long piece of sheet metal.  I not only hadn’t thought of it, but am now wondering just how the heck my old and worn out body is going to hoist that 70 pounds of metal up onto the roof of my pickup.  It didn’t look nearly so high until I tried it by myself, then it seemed the truck suddenly got several feet taller. There are easier ways to deal with this problem also. Lift one end only onto the back rack, then move to the other end of the boat and shove it forward to the appropriate position. A slippery piece of polyethylene pipe (flexible black plastic) over the rack can be helpful. Bruce.

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You can also add an extender to one of your racks (Yakima makes them or cobble together your own)Lift one end up and set it on the rack, then go to the back and do the same, then slide the boat over.  There are some manufactured loading systems that seem to work well, but they are pricey. Mostly I just end up grunting and groaning it on up, the way Bruce suggested, and hope that somebody will be around at the takeout and will have pity and come over and help the old guy. Hayden – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Next on the list of thank-yous is mention of transporting this long piece of sheet metal.  I not only hadn’t thought of it, but am now wondering just how the heck my old and worn out body is going to hoist that 70 pounds of metal up onto the roof of my pickup.  It didn’t look nearly so high until I tried it by myself, then it seemed the truck suddenly got several feet taller. There are easier ways to deal with this problem also. Lift one end only onto the back rack, then move to the other end of the boat and shove it forward to the appropriate position. A slippery piece of polyethylene pipe (flexible black plastic) over the rack can be helpful. Bruce.

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Next on the list of thank-yous is mention of transporting this long piece of sheet metal.  I not only hadn’t thought of it, but am now wondering just how the heck my old and worn out body is going to hoist that 70 pounds of metal up onto the roof of my pickup.  It didn’t look nearly so high until I tried it by myself, then it seemed the truck suddenly got several feet taller.

There are easier ways to deal with this problem also. Lift one end only onto the back rack, then move to the other end of the boat and shove it forward to the appropriate position. A slippery piece of polyethylene pipe (flexible black plastic) over the rack can be helpful. Bruce.

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Thanks to the group for all of your advise.  As one who is new to this sport I find it all very valuable, even when issued tongue in cheek. First, however I must apologies.  I’m using a hand-me-down computer, and I wasn’t aware that "Douglas" was going to be signed as the name when I post. That has now been corrected.  The name is Duane. I live in Portland, Oregon, and I’m not new to boating, just canoeing. Having shed myself of the 36 foot Uniflite cabin cruiser that has dominated my time and recourses for so long, I found myself not willing to leave the water–just the expenses of big boats.  As I learned, B-O-A-T does not spell boat, it stands for Break Out Another Thousand. The 17 foot Grumman does indeed have a keel, and I appreciate the advise to steer clear of rocks or get hung up.  I hadn’t thought of that.  I also appreciated discussion on paddle length.  I hadn’t thought of that either. Next on the list of thank-yous is mention of transporting this long piece of sheet metal.  I not only hadn’t thought of it, but am now wondering just how the heck my old and worn out body is going to hoist that 70 pounds of metal up onto the roof of my pickup.  It didn’t look nearly so high until I tried it by myself, then it seemed the truck suddenly got several feet taller. Again, thanks to all who responded with advise.  You have supplied something of value and I greatly appreciate it. Duane in Portland, OR.

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Thanks to the group for all of your advise.  As one who is new to this sport I find it all very valuable, even when issued tongue in cheek. ya’ll forgot to mention…Don’t stand up in one. TygerD

I didn’t mention it because that’s one of the oldest bromides about canoes. Learning how, when & why to stand is all part of it. In part that’s why I have 2 very diferent 6-foot paddles. I’ll even stand fopr extended periods when using my Evinrude-6 on open or easy water – scouting & photography come easier that way once you’ve learned how. Pete aka The Ent — When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.    Thomas Jefferson

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Kayaking in Baja

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Experienced Kayakers interested in Late Spring Baja trip.  If so please contact Chuck

What do you have in mind, Chuck? Where do you plan to go and when. What provisioning are you planning. Are you experienced with regard to fishing , clamming . Do you speak passable spanish. What kind of kayak are you paddling. I am interested in spending a very long weekend or short week. I am in Los Angeles. I have a plastic sea kayak, a good roll, but do get seasick in a quartering sea. I have paddled Scammons a couple of times various years ago before they started seriously preventing private boating there. I like the Sea of Cortez much better but too late in spring is kind of hot and is also "season "for the Sierra, where I like to white water. Gary

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I have paddled Scammons a couple of times various years ago before they started seriously preventing private boating there.

I was planning to paddle Scammons in 1999 or 2000.   (This is a good whale watching site, yes?) Anyone have current info, is private boating prohibited there

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Experienced Kayakers interested in Late Spring Baja trip.  If so please contact Chuck

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I am planning a kayaking trip with camping to the Sea of Cortez/Baja this fall.  I would like to have company for safety and social reasons. I am seeking people to go with me or I with them.  I also would like to have information from people who have done this.  I understand the islands offshore and whales etc are the greatest.  This may be the best

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writes: I also would like to have information from people who have done this.  I understand the islands offshore and whales etc are the greatest.  

Living in San Diego I get down there as often as I can.  I have paddled much more on the pacific side than the gulf side.  I did however go down to Bahia de los Angeles for 8 days in March.  Bahia de LA is about 10 hours south of San Diego.  The roads are resonably paved most of the way except for the last stretch where the potholes are almost worse than a bad dirt road. What is unique about the bay is the density of islands (There aren’t all that many along either coast).  The feature of this trip is solitude. There is not much on the islands, in fact there is a lot more interestin exploring land wise in the central desert west of the town.  It seems that kayaking down in Baja is getting more and more popular and you can be assured of running into large college groups if you go during their brakes.  I have lots more info, descriptions of islands and campsites etc. if anyone is interested E-mail me.  If there is enough interest I’ll post it.  I’m also planning on getting much of it on the Web.  For now I have a photo of the bay taken from the 1000′ volcano on Isla Cronado (Smith).  It is in the photo gallery at: http://salk.edu/~preston/ This may be the best place in the world to kayak.

I’m reserving judgement on that till I’ve been everywhere else… :-) -Preston — Preston Holmes                  (h)619-453-9209 Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD    

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I am planning a kayaking trip with camping to the Sea of Cortez/Baja this fall.  I would like to have company for safety and social reasons. I am seeking people to go with me or I with them.  I also would like to have information from people who have done this.  I understand the islands offshore and whales etc are the greatest.  This may be the best

I do it every year at least once or twice. Living in San Diego makes Baja easy access. I agree, I also think it is ONE of the best places in the world. I don’t think anything will beat Costa Rica. What area in particular are you thinking of? By offshore Islands I’m assuming you mean the pacific side. The Cortez side is better in my opinion. Anyway, I’ve been to most places from Bahia de Los Angeles and north (I’m slowly working my way down the peninsula). This fall I had planned to get as far south as possible – maybe Loretto or somewhere around there. I’m going to avoid La Paz – to touristy – and expensive. E-mail me with specifics and I can fill you in on what you will be needing to bring and what to expect.

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I have lots more info, descriptions of islands and campsites etc. if anyone is interested E-mail me.  If there is enough interest I’ll post it.  I’m also planning on getting much of it on the Web.  For now I -Preston

Please do post it – I’m sure there is general interest.  I am keeping text files of neat places to go for when I have more time to travel. Thanks! BTW – that goes for anyone with trip reports about interesting places to kayak – let’s see ‘em!

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Would like to hear about recent experiences kayaking in Baja, especially the northern to mid Sea of Cortez area.   What is the situation in Bahia de Los Angeles  –  heard that camping beaches disturbed by numerous shark carcasses.  Thanks.

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Yes, I’ve seen small shark caracasses but they didn’t detract from the trip.  Bahia LA is a fine place to boat with a half a dozen small islands on which to camp.  One island has a volcano you can climb.  We did a 5 day island hopping trip and could have stayed longer w/o getting bored.  Be sure to carry a gallon of water per day per person. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Would like to hear about recent experiences kayaking in Baja, especially the northern to mid Sea of Cortez area.   What is the situation in Bahia de Los Angeles  –  heard that camping beaches disturbed by numerous shark carcasses.  Thanks.

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We are considering spending part of our Christmas vacation working our way partly down Pacific side of the Baja Penensula.  We are considering camping near San Quintin and then moving down below Guerreo Negro.  We would like to take our whitewater kayaks with us so that we can explore the bays and surf. A couple of questions:     1)    Mexico charges a $50 fee for each "boat less than 23′ long"  - Will this apply to our kayaks?     2)    All private boats are banned from some of the bays after January because of the whale calving.  I assume that we can kayak there in December. If so, is there any chance of finding an early whale or two? I have spent quite a bit of time in Baja on the gulf side (Bajia Conception, Loreto, La Paz).  What can we expect different on the pacific side?  Any thoughts or information would be appreciated. Randy Hodges

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 1)    Mexico charges a $50 fee for each "boat less than 23′ long"  - Will this apply to our kayaks?

Pretty sure it doesn’t.  I know Tom McEwan takes a whole trailerload of boats down every season and I’m pretty sure there’s no fee.   – Mothra

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Hi Randy, What you can expect are few facilities, even by Baja standards, and huge, pounding surf.  It’s fun if you’re prepared, but tough if you’re not.  I think driving in (with 4wd) to spots to surf might be fun.  I think paddling a sea kayak down the coast would be challenging– very challenging. I’ve mostly done the Sea of Cortez side.  But driving down there, you can see how rugged the ocean side is. Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What can we expect different on the pacific side?  Any thoughts or information would be appreciated.

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   1)    Mexico charges a $50 fee for each "boat less than 23′ long"  - Will this apply to our kayaks?

They didn’t charge anything for bringing sea kayaks when we went to Baja in March, nor did they charge anything when we went kayaking on the mainland side of the Sea of Cortez last week… Drifter Smith

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